Dovener

[elliotdm01@leedslearning.]

Looking for any info on John Thomas Dovener who married Mary Ellen Wallis from Bridlington. They had a son Thomas William Dovener born in 1891. They are on the 1891 census as Danner, when you look, it actually is Dovener. I believe at some point Mary Ellen could have married again although there is no record of a marriage but she appears on my grans birth certificate as Mary Ellen Pitts. Cant find aything on the Doveners or later Mary Ellen and William Pitts - any help with any of this - it's started to drive me up the wall!! would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Deb;)

[paul]

Possibly ......

Births Dec 1871
Dovener John Thomas Halifax 9a 483

1881

Margaret DOVENER Head M Female 46 Wensendale, Yorks
Mary E. DOVENER Daur U Female 23 Nr Leeds, Bradford, Yorks Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill
Annie E. DOVENER Daur U Female 20 Manningham, Bradford, Yorks Woollen Weaver
Matilda DOVENER Daur U Female 19 Rishworth, Yorks Woollen Burler
Sarah DOVENER Daur U Female 17 Rishworth, Yorks Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill
>>John T. DOVENER Son Male 9 Sowerby Bridge, Yorks Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling Sunny Bank
Census Place Warley
Family History Library Film 1342055
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4414 / 106
Page Number 24

Interesting ...

Births Jun 1885
Dovener Thomas William Bradford, Y. 9b 131

Deaths Jun 1885
Dovener Thomas William 0 Bradford, Y. 9b 84



Births Sep 1870
Wallis Mary Ellen Bridlington 9d 290

1881

Robert WALLIS Head M Male 41 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Fisherman
Ann E. WALLIS Wife M Female 38 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Dressmaker
George W. WALLIS Son U Male 17 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Fisherman
Robert T. WALLIS Son U Male 16 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Sail Maker (Apprentice)
Ann E. WALLIS Daur Female 12 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Scholar
>>Mary E. WALLIS Daur Female 10 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Scholar
Frederick A. WALLIS Son Male 8 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Scholar
Kate WALLIS Daur Female 6 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Scholar
Jane WALLIS Daur Female 4 Brid Quay, Yorkshire Scholar
Henry WALLIS Son Male 1 Brid Quay, Yorkshire
Elizabeth HUTCHINSON Lodger W Female 75 Brid Quay, Yorkshire

Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Garden Walk
Census Place Bridlington, Yorkshire
Family History Library Film 1342158
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4798 / 161
Page Number 27

Marriages Sep 1889
DOVENER John Thomas Leeds 9b 721
Wallis Mary Ellen Leeds 9b 721

The only Dovener birth in 1891 is

Births Dec 1891
DOVENER Bertie Wharfedale 9a 141 ....

Could you post the information from 1891 ...

Have you found them in 1901 ?

Paul

[Carole Walker]

John Thomas Dovenor was born 17th Dec 1867 in Leeds to Alice Roundhill who was unmarried. I have a copy of his birth certificate. She gave birth to a daughter Amelia Dovenor in 1869 also born out of wedlock. The two children use both the names Dovenor and Roundhill over the years. They were boarded out as children. They are on 1871 census named Roundall, on 1881 census as Roundhill, and on 1891 census Amelia is using the name Dovenor again, but is back to Roundhill on her marriage in 1883!! Alice married a widower Thomas Booth in 1874. I have not had much success in tracing a possible father of John Thomas and Amelia; there are two John Dovenors living in the right area of Leeds at this time both of whom could be candidates.

John Thomas married Mary Ellen Wallis from Bridlington in 1889 under the name Dovenor but is using the name Roundhill on the 1901 census. My granddad James William Roundhill was born to this marriage on 20th October 1890 and is called Roundhill on his birth certificate. (See 1901 census for other family members) I have a copy of his birth certificate. I have looked at the 1891 census under Danner (Dovenor) and I am sure that the child age 5 months (see original document) named as Thomas William is in fact my granddad James William as the address is Tab Street which is where James William was born and his age as shown on the census is correct.

Mary Ellen was remarried in 1915 to William Pitts using the name Roundhill. Are you descended from this marriage? I cannot find when John Thomas died.

Hope this information answers some of your queries.

Carole.

:happy:

[elliotdm01@leedslearning.]

Hi Carol, thanks for your information, it is very interesting. My Grandma is called May McGough nee Pitts. Her mother was Mary Ellen Pitts nee Roundhill and father William Pitts. We know that she was married to a Dovener who at some point must have died and then married William Pitts and had my gran (who however is now dead). I haven't actually looked for a few months, I spent more time on it during the winter months, maybe its time to start again. Can let you have copies of what I have though. my email address is elliotdm01@leedslearning.net if you want to get in touch.

Debbie